"Momma's in the basement mixing up some medicine, I'm
on the pavement thinking about the govenement" Bob Dylan
MUFON’s Journal published results of the organization’s findings on the detailed reports from 70 witnesses in Texas in its April 2008 issue. Bottom line: the vast majority of witnesses who reported to MUFON were regular people just wanting to get answers about what they saw. Of the many people who reported UFOs, 2 were found to be hoaxers. Amazing! You’d think with all the screams out there on You-Tube and debunker land, it’d be closer to 70.
There were almost as many UFO reports from the two Texas counties --Stephenville and Dublin-- in January and February in 2008 as in all of 2007, according to the only ones who are doing any data collection…our own good UFO organizations.
Notably, MUFON’s investigation found there were two “official” daylight sightings reporting a “large craft gray in color”, silent and moving at a high rate of speed. Many Texas reports were similar to those logged around the world, featuring large sequential blinking lights in the sky. Also notable about the Stephenville sightings is how many witnesses came forward with old reports. I guess they felt it was finally safe to do so. This factor of multiple, belated UFO reports --indicating many pre-existing UFO sightings from the region-- is in itself important, no matter how you slice it.
MUFON was not able to get written reports from the local Police Officers, just verbal descriptions. So what did these trained observers report? Three officers who gave accounts describe a large “craft”, gray in color with red strobe lights on the top. The two officers who were outside at the time reported the craft they observed was silent.
Of this investigation, 18 reports are unknown, with five still under investigation. They still have 100 continuing UFO sighting reports around the Dublin area. So the Great Stephenville UFO Incident of 2008 is not over because the press calls it over.
Not all the UFOs were of the same type. I like this one:
“At 6:50 AM on January 11, James Beatty had a close encounter…he saw bright white lights coming over a hill, on the opposite side of the dam…hugging the shore line…it was delta shaped…black and gray in color…approached to about 30 to 50 yards away… no bigger then a 1978 Thunderbird…rear was rectangle with three large round openings in its side. No apparent thrust nor fire…extended canopy running three quarters of the way down the fuselage. It was metallic as well. The bottom looked like it had panel lines, it had three non-blinking white lights under it. It made no sound at all.”
Just a reminder to the “ well… it’s only lights in the sky” bunch, CRAFT is the term three trained observers used to describe their daylight sighting.
For all you secret government test flight fanatics: why would the government be flying a huge, top-secret craft, near paranoid George’s ranch, in daylight?
And finally for all of you “why in the world would aliens fly a trillion miles to go to Texas?” theoreticians: it’s called bases. Try to think ahead!
David Coram Video. Seen on “Alien Hunters” episode Diagrams In The Sky, this one’s still an enigma. MUFON Journal reported Dr. Bruce Maccabee and others wanted to find the light source but “time restraints” kept them from going to the original spot. So until that is done, I can’t go with Maccabee’s conclusion, that what was captured was just a camera effect combined with atmospheric conditions and an out-of-focus star. David Coram’s grandchild, who was first to point out this strange light source, was drawn to it and asked his grandfather about the “lightening” in the sky. He saw that movement with the unaided eye.
DVD "The Good Bad And Ugly Of UFO Reporting" X Conference 2008
Fired Jounalist Angilia Joiner UFO Witnesses Stories.
Friday, May 23, 2008
Thursday, May 15, 2008
Body Snatchers: Better as a Sci-Fi Film?
Nick Redfern, in Body Snatchers In The Desert [Paraview Pocket Books, 2005] sure jumps through a lot of hoops to explain Roswell away:
“A Horton Brothers Flying wing supported by huge Japanese-designed balloons and containing disabled or genetically damaged Japanese who were used as human guinea pigs to provide data on the effects of radiation for use in the NEPA Program.”
Though Redfern bases some of his latest on them, I’d never bet on anonymous whistle blowers. Especially when they’re from the government.
If I went through every scenario disclosed by every anonymous whistle blower in the UFO researcher community, I’d go nuts. But maybe that’s the mission.
I accept documents when conclusive; I accept the testimony of dying military witnesses when they have nothing to gain. Especially when they confess to their relatives, as so many loyal career military did in the Roswell case.
Some whistle blowers lie. One way I think they lie is by exaggerating a real story which loosely may apply. Sometimes, that’s professional misinformation. To do this, they get a researcher like Nick…who, as they say, strains the gnat and swallows the camel. As did many UFO researchers who swallowed the MOGUL story.
Interesting to note how this researcher faction, who discount the MOGUL theory --choose to believe in the witness testimony when it differs from MOGUL, but not when it differs from Redfern’s Body Snatchers version -- suddenly question those witnesses’ memory. There have been a dozen “what really happened at Roswell” books that dismiss all the original boots-on-the-ground witnesses. When you get whistle blowers called “the Colonel” and the “the black Widow’, as Redfern did, you can’t expect anything like serious ufology. But maybe you’d like to option a remake of a classic Sci-Fi film?
Let’s break it down, Redfern’s BS scenario.
First: do these descriptions from Roswell witnesses --who were there-- sound like a Horton Flying Wing made of wood or metals from the ‘40s?
Now let’s hear it from the some of the cojones-sufficient-to-ID-themselves witnesses, instead of “the Colonel” and “Black Widow”.
Start with Jesse Marcell Jr.’s The Roswell Legacy [Paperback, New Page Books, Sept. 2008] on the wonder of the material…
”As we examined the debris and carefully handled it my dad’s excitement was almost palpable… to his family he was a pretty laid back guy taking everything in his stride... [an] intelligence officer on a base with the country’s most guarded secrets… I saw another side to him…It was a mixture of excitement and confusion suffused with a sense of wonder that one just doesn’t see in many grown men.”
And move on to several others who were there.
Counter Intelligence Officer Sergeant Bill Ricket:
“The site itself was generally flat terrain…also evident were sixty or so pieces of what appeared to be very thin aluminum scattered about’…he picked up a piece about 4 inches by 10 inches and placed it over his knee to try and bend it. He couldn’t …Ricket [said]…‘I had never seen a piece of metal so thin that I couldn’t bend it…the more I look at it the more I couldn’t imagine what it was.’”
Major Edwin Easley’s Deathbed confession:
After keeping silent for 45 years, when presented with a book on the UFO crash at Roswell, Easley exclaimed to his granddaughter: “Oh the creatures!”
Sgt. Homer Rowlett, 603 Air Engineering Squadron, who days before passing, told his family:
“Sent as part of a clean-up detail…[he] had seen the memory material…tin foil that kept it’s shape…I saw three people they had large heads and one was alive.”
Rowell Military Hospital administrator Wayne’s Secretary broke down sobbing and told her parents:
[Worried by all the additional personnel running around the hospital her boss,“Wayne”, took her by the arm and had her accompany him to a room and observe a number of bodies on gurneys…]
“‘My God! They are children!’ Then she realized that its body size was the only childlike quality. Their skin was grayest brown…But the heads, the heads were too large…and those large eyes… those eyes that wouldn’t shut…she had heard of all of the talk of a crashed spaceship…‘Why did he[Wayne, her boss] have to involve me?’ she pleaded in the end.”
Lt. Govenor Joseph Montoya, on July 7th, 1947 while at the Roswell base, made this unintentionally close observation:
“We don’t know what it is. There was a flying saucer…[Describing bodies]…big eyes with big eyes shaped like tear drops…mouth small, like a knife cut across a piece of wood and they had large heads…bald heads…they had four long thin fingers on each hand.”
Staff Sergeant Earl Fulford, Top Secret clearance, 603rd Engineering:
[Forced to “volunteer for clean-up duties”, he was bused to any area which had “obviously been policed before”]
“… I only picked up seven small silvery pieces all day… the largest of which was 3 by 4 inches. I looked like thin light aluminum that flex slightly when I picked it up, but once in the palm of your hands you could wad it up into a small ball…and it would immediately form its shape in a second or two.”
Black Cat Mac Magruder, decorated F16 Fighter Pilot, lying on his deathbed, told his daughter:
[During class at the prestigious War College, he was taken to Wright Field and observed a live creature from the Roswell craft]
“…under five feet tall. Human like but with longer arms, large eyes, and an oversized hairless head…a small slit for a mouth, no nose just two small orifices…Ears two small orifices…came from another planet.”
I would never try to discredit Nick Redfern’s research; in fact, his work is usually top notch. But that doesn’t mean the latest Redfern theory makes sense--either in the general context of the larger Roswell story, or in the real-life details-- against the multiple deathbed and end-of-life confessions of loyal military and military support staff, who were there.
BBC Documentary on Roswell Witnesses:
Now that there are a majority who believe UFOs are not ET, it’s that much easier for professional debunkers to do away with the truth. Now debunkers feel safe to take any theory or opinion that comes down the pike to discredit the Roswell ET explanation. But Redfern’s latest scenario automatically puts many of the military professionals and other good, honest witnesses into what I’ll call the stupid category. And I haven’t even included in this discussion the people in the town who actually handled the material from the crafts…like rancher Brazel’s family home, tossed two years after the incident, by military looking for more material from the crafts.
These people have also been ignored or attacked as being too stupid to know a metal with bizarre properties they personally handled was different from the tinfoil on a cigarette package. For me, denigrating these witnesses is unacceptable.
I admit Mr. Redfern tries to cover some of the other witness testimony, like bodies and security measures. But you can’t cherrypick testimony to build a theory. This is what the debunkers do to prove we’re all nuts.
All quotes are from the taped testimony reported in the book A Witness to Roswell: Unmasking the 60-Year Cover-Up, by Schmitt and Cary [New Page Books, 2007].
Stanton Friedman’s take on the history, as well as other problems with explanations put forward by Nick Redfern in Body Snatchers is here:
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfredfern1.html
Another famous Pilot at a UFO crash sight handles the same type of wreckage as Roswell 8 years later, described here:
http://pr-canada.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32776&Itemid=61
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
“A Horton Brothers Flying wing supported by huge Japanese-designed balloons and containing disabled or genetically damaged Japanese who were used as human guinea pigs to provide data on the effects of radiation for use in the NEPA Program.”
Though Redfern bases some of his latest on them, I’d never bet on anonymous whistle blowers. Especially when they’re from the government.
If I went through every scenario disclosed by every anonymous whistle blower in the UFO researcher community, I’d go nuts. But maybe that’s the mission.
I accept documents when conclusive; I accept the testimony of dying military witnesses when they have nothing to gain. Especially when they confess to their relatives, as so many loyal career military did in the Roswell case.
Some whistle blowers lie. One way I think they lie is by exaggerating a real story which loosely may apply. Sometimes, that’s professional misinformation. To do this, they get a researcher like Nick…who, as they say, strains the gnat and swallows the camel. As did many UFO researchers who swallowed the MOGUL story.
Interesting to note how this researcher faction, who discount the MOGUL theory --choose to believe in the witness testimony when it differs from MOGUL, but not when it differs from Redfern’s Body Snatchers version -- suddenly question those witnesses’ memory. There have been a dozen “what really happened at Roswell” books that dismiss all the original boots-on-the-ground witnesses. When you get whistle blowers called “the Colonel” and the “the black Widow’, as Redfern did, you can’t expect anything like serious ufology. But maybe you’d like to option a remake of a classic Sci-Fi film?
Let’s break it down, Redfern’s BS scenario.
First: do these descriptions from Roswell witnesses --who were there-- sound like a Horton Flying Wing made of wood or metals from the ‘40s?
Now let’s hear it from the some of the cojones-sufficient-to-ID-themselves witnesses, instead of “the Colonel” and “Black Widow”.
Start with Jesse Marcell Jr.’s The Roswell Legacy [Paperback, New Page Books, Sept. 2008] on the wonder of the material…
”As we examined the debris and carefully handled it my dad’s excitement was almost palpable… to his family he was a pretty laid back guy taking everything in his stride... [an] intelligence officer on a base with the country’s most guarded secrets… I saw another side to him…It was a mixture of excitement and confusion suffused with a sense of wonder that one just doesn’t see in many grown men.”
And move on to several others who were there.
Counter Intelligence Officer Sergeant Bill Ricket:
“The site itself was generally flat terrain…also evident were sixty or so pieces of what appeared to be very thin aluminum scattered about’…he picked up a piece about 4 inches by 10 inches and placed it over his knee to try and bend it. He couldn’t …Ricket [said]…‘I had never seen a piece of metal so thin that I couldn’t bend it…the more I look at it the more I couldn’t imagine what it was.’”
Major Edwin Easley’s Deathbed confession:
After keeping silent for 45 years, when presented with a book on the UFO crash at Roswell, Easley exclaimed to his granddaughter: “Oh the creatures!”
Sgt. Homer Rowlett, 603 Air Engineering Squadron, who days before passing, told his family:
“Sent as part of a clean-up detail…[he] had seen the memory material…tin foil that kept it’s shape…I saw three people they had large heads and one was alive.”
Rowell Military Hospital administrator Wayne’s Secretary broke down sobbing and told her parents:
[Worried by all the additional personnel running around the hospital her boss,“Wayne”, took her by the arm and had her accompany him to a room and observe a number of bodies on gurneys…]
“‘My God! They are children!’ Then she realized that its body size was the only childlike quality. Their skin was grayest brown…But the heads, the heads were too large…and those large eyes… those eyes that wouldn’t shut…she had heard of all of the talk of a crashed spaceship…‘Why did he[Wayne, her boss] have to involve me?’ she pleaded in the end.”
Lt. Govenor Joseph Montoya, on July 7th, 1947 while at the Roswell base, made this unintentionally close observation:
“We don’t know what it is. There was a flying saucer…[Describing bodies]…big eyes with big eyes shaped like tear drops…mouth small, like a knife cut across a piece of wood and they had large heads…bald heads…they had four long thin fingers on each hand.”
Staff Sergeant Earl Fulford, Top Secret clearance, 603rd Engineering:
[Forced to “volunteer for clean-up duties”, he was bused to any area which had “obviously been policed before”]
“… I only picked up seven small silvery pieces all day… the largest of which was 3 by 4 inches. I looked like thin light aluminum that flex slightly when I picked it up, but once in the palm of your hands you could wad it up into a small ball…and it would immediately form its shape in a second or two.”
Black Cat Mac Magruder, decorated F16 Fighter Pilot, lying on his deathbed, told his daughter:
[During class at the prestigious War College, he was taken to Wright Field and observed a live creature from the Roswell craft]
“…under five feet tall. Human like but with longer arms, large eyes, and an oversized hairless head…a small slit for a mouth, no nose just two small orifices…Ears two small orifices…came from another planet.”
I would never try to discredit Nick Redfern’s research; in fact, his work is usually top notch. But that doesn’t mean the latest Redfern theory makes sense--either in the general context of the larger Roswell story, or in the real-life details-- against the multiple deathbed and end-of-life confessions of loyal military and military support staff, who were there.
BBC Documentary on Roswell Witnesses:
Now that there are a majority who believe UFOs are not ET, it’s that much easier for professional debunkers to do away with the truth. Now debunkers feel safe to take any theory or opinion that comes down the pike to discredit the Roswell ET explanation. But Redfern’s latest scenario automatically puts many of the military professionals and other good, honest witnesses into what I’ll call the stupid category. And I haven’t even included in this discussion the people in the town who actually handled the material from the crafts…like rancher Brazel’s family home, tossed two years after the incident, by military looking for more material from the crafts.
These people have also been ignored or attacked as being too stupid to know a metal with bizarre properties they personally handled was different from the tinfoil on a cigarette package. For me, denigrating these witnesses is unacceptable.
I admit Mr. Redfern tries to cover some of the other witness testimony, like bodies and security measures. But you can’t cherrypick testimony to build a theory. This is what the debunkers do to prove we’re all nuts.
All quotes are from the taped testimony reported in the book A Witness to Roswell: Unmasking the 60-Year Cover-Up, by Schmitt and Cary [New Page Books, 2007].
Stanton Friedman’s take on the history, as well as other problems with explanations put forward by Nick Redfern in Body Snatchers is here:
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfredfern1.html
Another famous Pilot at a UFO crash sight handles the same type of wreckage as Roswell 8 years later, described here:
http://pr-canada.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32776&Itemid=61
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
Sunday, May 27, 2007
Of UFOs And Global Warming PART I AND II
Support HR-985 Whistleblower protection act now before the US Senate.
J. Maussan S. Garza "NASA Misssion& UFO Incidents" DVD:
A Policeman in Mexico gets a call over his radio about reports of a UFO Craft coming down near his patrol car where they record the event on the cars video. The search for the craft but found nothing.
J. Maussan S. Garza "NASA Misssion& UFO Incidents" DVD:
A Policeman in Mexico gets a call over his radio about reports of a UFO Craft coming down near his patrol car where they record the event on the cars video. The search for the craft but found nothing.
Wednesday, January 10, 2007
Report from the people
UFO Media Matters
“fellow travelers in space-time”.
The UFO Whistleblower
Joseph Capp
…“and I took it (piece of the spaceship) and I bent it and I twisted it and I laid it back down, and it went (sound) got right back to the same shape”
Meet June Crain*
I am so tired of these two handed bandits; these blog gurus who pontificate the truth from their computer thrones, who debunk UFOs with no regard to the human factor.
Here is my truth. June Crain was there. June Crain had a “above top secret” clearance. June typed secret documents and took dictation for the scientists. June kept “the secrets” for 45 years. What Secrets did June Crain keep?June handled pieces from the “Roswell” crash and was friends with the person who escorted the boxes of dead bodies by transport from New Mexico. Where could have June work? June Crain worked for “Write Patterson Air Base” for over 10 years from 1942 to 1953. June’s friend, “Master Sergeant Clarence,” (she attended his wedding) escorted the alien bodies (not Japanese or German aliens) these were (“little green men”) to the base. June was there when she watched as the “engineers” almost rolled on the floor laughing about the balloon story. The new management is probably still laughing.
What were the details? June knew there were pieces of “space ships”; she personally handled them. An Officer handed them to her. She tried to cut the piece or make a mark on it; she couldn’t do it. She wrinkled it all up and it would smooth out to its original shape. Although rather thick it was almost weightless. Where did it come from? The military officer’s answer was “New Mexico”. You can bet if June handled a piece of the “space ship” then the scientists were privy to much more. She took dictation from the “engineers” scientists. She was one of the few who could understand their terminology. She was the fastest in dictation and typing. They spoke of three crashes, for sure, all in New Mexico. At the time the knowledge was treated as matter of fact. The scientists were obsessed with, and debated, the propulsion systems. They rolled their eyes and almost” lost” it over the Air force explanation.
The scientists and military liked June and she was pretty, smart and took no bull.. She started working at Wright Field when she was 17 , tuff she told one Colonel to “kiss her ass” when he tried to skirt some rules. She was also instrumental in caching a spy. What a women! She disagreed with our historians on one character at Wight Field. But I have a sneaking suspicion she is right and the historians are wrongs.Read the entire interview on PDF, unless of course you “take to the notion” that our historians, like UFO skeptics, are always right.
Character – June Cain forgot more about character than most of our web pontificators, including me, will ever know. Two bouts of Cancer, the death of a husband, almost lost a child because of a drunk driver, and had financial problems to boot. So what did June do? She learned carpentry and built 15 homes for low income families. Later, when she retired, she continued to help her local community by raising the funds for the local library. This is a person, real, not some caricature designed by your local spin factory. I don’t know today maybe that just doesn’t matter anymore.
For Fame –when June came forward, she came forward anonymously. She did this because the media and the Air Force cast made fun of the Roswell spaceship crash theory. She was getting very old and took it personally perhaps because she handled a piece of the craft. Seven years later she came forward publicly. The second time because the Air Force cast aspersion on her Spree de Corps by claiming the alien bodies were parachute test dummies. June worked with the Parachute Corps at Wright Field she knew that was a lie.. She loved those guys and watched one test where many soldiers died it was kept secret. Even though seven years had passed, the story she first leaked remained the same. No matter what these skeptics and armchair quarterbacks like me say some things are burned into your memoryou do not forget. All of us regular folks know that.
I know our society and the media seems to believe when you start getting old you should go “quietly into the night”. There was no way June was not going to go in silence.
I hope if anyone reads this about June, and reads explanations from Balloon Nuts or alternate theories given fifty years after the fact r remember June Crain and give her at least a moment of pause. I doubt the skeptics will, they are never wrong, you know.
The interview is at the link below (PDF) with MUFO link. Even if you’re a non believer, the intelligence history is rich and well worth the read.
*Jerome Clarkson Senior Director of MUFON at the time, interviewed June Crain and verified her work and personal history. MUFON is an amazing organization made up of many volunteers documented. I join MUFON and really enjoy the MUFON Journal with all the new case of UFO experiences. They actually go and talk to the witnesses what a novel idea.
The full interview in PDF
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/crain_clarksoninterview.pdf
The MUFON Home page
http://www.mufon.com/
“fellow travelers in space-time”.
The UFO Whistleblower
Joseph Capp
…“and I took it (piece of the spaceship) and I bent it and I twisted it and I laid it back down, and it went (sound) got right back to the same shape”
Meet June Crain*
I am so tired of these two handed bandits; these blog gurus who pontificate the truth from their computer thrones, who debunk UFOs with no regard to the human factor.
Here is my truth. June Crain was there. June Crain had a “above top secret” clearance. June typed secret documents and took dictation for the scientists. June kept “the secrets” for 45 years. What Secrets did June Crain keep?June handled pieces from the “Roswell” crash and was friends with the person who escorted the boxes of dead bodies by transport from New Mexico. Where could have June work? June Crain worked for “Write Patterson Air Base” for over 10 years from 1942 to 1953. June’s friend, “Master Sergeant Clarence,” (she attended his wedding) escorted the alien bodies (not Japanese or German aliens) these were (“little green men”) to the base. June was there when she watched as the “engineers” almost rolled on the floor laughing about the balloon story. The new management is probably still laughing.
What were the details? June knew there were pieces of “space ships”; she personally handled them. An Officer handed them to her. She tried to cut the piece or make a mark on it; she couldn’t do it. She wrinkled it all up and it would smooth out to its original shape. Although rather thick it was almost weightless. Where did it come from? The military officer’s answer was “New Mexico”. You can bet if June handled a piece of the “space ship” then the scientists were privy to much more. She took dictation from the “engineers” scientists. She was one of the few who could understand their terminology. She was the fastest in dictation and typing. They spoke of three crashes, for sure, all in New Mexico. At the time the knowledge was treated as matter of fact. The scientists were obsessed with, and debated, the propulsion systems. They rolled their eyes and almost” lost” it over the Air force explanation.
The scientists and military liked June and she was pretty, smart and took no bull.. She started working at Wright Field when she was 17 , tuff she told one Colonel to “kiss her ass” when he tried to skirt some rules. She was also instrumental in caching a spy. What a women! She disagreed with our historians on one character at Wight Field. But I have a sneaking suspicion she is right and the historians are wrongs.Read the entire interview on PDF, unless of course you “take to the notion” that our historians, like UFO skeptics, are always right.
Character – June Cain forgot more about character than most of our web pontificators, including me, will ever know. Two bouts of Cancer, the death of a husband, almost lost a child because of a drunk driver, and had financial problems to boot. So what did June do? She learned carpentry and built 15 homes for low income families. Later, when she retired, she continued to help her local community by raising the funds for the local library. This is a person, real, not some caricature designed by your local spin factory. I don’t know today maybe that just doesn’t matter anymore.
For Fame –when June came forward, she came forward anonymously. She did this because the media and the Air Force cast made fun of the Roswell spaceship crash theory. She was getting very old and took it personally perhaps because she handled a piece of the craft. Seven years later she came forward publicly. The second time because the Air Force cast aspersion on her Spree de Corps by claiming the alien bodies were parachute test dummies. June worked with the Parachute Corps at Wright Field she knew that was a lie.. She loved those guys and watched one test where many soldiers died it was kept secret. Even though seven years had passed, the story she first leaked remained the same. No matter what these skeptics and armchair quarterbacks like me say some things are burned into your memoryou do not forget. All of us regular folks know that.
I know our society and the media seems to believe when you start getting old you should go “quietly into the night”. There was no way June was not going to go in silence.
I hope if anyone reads this about June, and reads explanations from Balloon Nuts or alternate theories given fifty years after the fact r remember June Crain and give her at least a moment of pause. I doubt the skeptics will, they are never wrong, you know.
The interview is at the link below (PDF) with MUFO link. Even if you’re a non believer, the intelligence history is rich and well worth the read.
*Jerome Clarkson Senior Director of MUFON at the time, interviewed June Crain and verified her work and personal history. MUFON is an amazing organization made up of many volunteers documented. I join MUFON and really enjoy the MUFON Journal with all the new case of UFO experiences. They actually go and talk to the witnesses what a novel idea.
The full interview in PDF
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/crain_clarksoninterview.pdf
The MUFON Home page
http://www.mufon.com/
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